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Lectures Wrapping Up and The Tomb at Dominus Flevit at the Mount of Olives March 14

Gang:

I have given all but one of my lectures on the Missing Gospels. It has gone very well, with many Israeli scholars noting parallels to issues they face in their study of the Mikra (OT). The people here have been wonderful and the country is lovely. The University of Ben Gurion has been a wonderful host.

I append a full email I got today from Michael Heiser about another site with lots of tomb names. Here it is:

Gang:

I have given all but one of my lectures on the Missing Gospels. It has gone very well, with many Israeli scholars noting parallels to issues they face in their study of the Mikra (OT). The people here have been wonderful and the country is lovely. The University of Ben Gurion has been a wonderful host.

I append a full email I got today from Michael Heiser about another site with lots of tomb names. Here it is:

Dear Professors and other Bloggers

I’d like to report something of potentially great interest with respect to assessing the Jesus tomb theory offered by Simcha Jacobovici and Charles Pellegrino (and, by extension, James Tabor).

Many scholars have demonstrated the glaring weaknesses of this theory with respect to the inscriptions, the names themselves, the shaky logic, etc. And despite the clear, coherent response to the statistical framework and analysis offered by my friend Randy Ingermanson, the public continues to be bludgeoned with the “improbability” of it all. Well, it appears that having the names of Jesus, Mary, Joseph, Matthew, and Martha (“Mara”) on ossuaries at one location isn’t as improbable as Jacobovici, Pellegrino, and Tabor would have the world believe.

I want to draw your attention—and the attention of scholars and interested parties who read your blog—to a SECOND site that has all those names. In 1953-1955, Bellarmino Bagatti excavated the site of Dominus Flevit (“The Lord wept”) on the Mount of Olives. The excavation uncovered a necropolis and over 40 inscribed ossuaries – including the names of Mary, Martha, Matthew, Joseph, Jesus. These ossuaries are not, as far as I can tell, in Rahmani’s catalogue. I’m guessing the reason is that they are not the property of the Israel Antiquities Authority (see Rahmani’s Preface). The necropolis was apparently used ca. 136 BC to 300 AD. Here is a link that discusses the site. A few scanned pages of Bagatti’s excavation report (written in Italian) can be found here as well.

I’ll be tracking down this report (and perhaps buying an Italian dictionary). I found this information last night (actually 2:00am) while working on my portion of a lengthy response to the Jesus tomb theory (to be co-authored with Randy Ingermanson). I didn’t want to wait until that was done to alert scholars to this so we can collectively look at this data. It appears that the statistical odds touted in such assured terms have taken a sound beating – fifty years ago.

There’s one more really intriguing thing about the Dominus Flevit site. It is referenced by Jacobovici with respect to his argument about the cross symbol’s antiquity, and Bagatti’s book is in his bibliography. And yet he and Charlie Pellegrino somehow overlooked the fact that ossuaries were found at that site with all the names accounted for. One can only guess whether the omission was due to careless scholarship or an effort to deceive the public.

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Now my comments. The one thing to remember here is that Dominus Flevit is not a family tomb but an entire site, so the comparison is not exact. What this does show, however, is how common these names are reinforcing what experts have been saying.

 

2 Comments

  • jnjwallen

    Jesus tomb troubles..Help please anyone?
    The things that really throw me and defeat my hopes and theories pro fake tomb…1.)Jesus tomb different from rest very plain, etc. . 2.)Couldn’t have been smuggled in as other one that said Judah son of Jesus. 3.)Jesus being attributed to Mary instead of the others..(could have been any one of them) 4.) Mathew being the other and the potential writer of the oldest gospel that some attribute others copying. The statistics of the rest of the grouping as a whole cluster.The names seem to also encompas Mary Magdalene, Mary Mother of James, etc.. What are the chances? Spiritual? Why make Jesus ossuary plain as is??

    • bock

      Tomb Troubles – dlb
      JNJ:

      All of these are answered in the posts. 1) The plain tomb is hard to explain for someone the family honored and revered. More than that the inscription is so sloppy that it also is unlikely fro someone the family honored. 2) You are correct that to smuggle this Jesus tomb in is very unlikely (and it woudl have to be moved from Joseph of Arimathea’s tomb. 3) Jesus inscription is not tied to anyone in the name. The name stands alone. So it is correct that the link could be with anyone else in the tomb. 4) The presence of Matthew is a problem. Why is he there? Also why are not Jesus’ other brothers there? 5) The cluster of names and statistics have been covered multiple times. The problem is figuring out exactly how to figure this and be fair to the data. This is why verious models for this topic have been posed. Does one count names from ossuaries lists or names from inscriptions and ossuaries (to enlarge the name base in the record we have). How does one account for the fact we only have a part of the name pool that existed. What population figure for Judea and Galilee should be included? This is what makes figuring the statistics difficult. There is NO REASON historically to link the mariamne inscription to Mary Magdalene. The “link” is very problematic,as there is no early evidence connecting this person to the name on the inscription. So JNJ hre are many of the answers.